The Native Tourist
reformed/biblical observations on Christianity and culture

Monday, August 20, 2007
Camp Times
We had a wonderful time among the Ponderosa Pines... I was able to attempt a watercolor landscape (first time in nearly a year!), talk to friends, play ultimate frisbee and kick back for some napping.

The speaker at the camp, D.G. Hart, was by his own admission, provacative. He didn't really talk that much about culture as such, but his views came out here and there. He refered at one point to the church being "spiritual" and culture/government as being "earthly". During the Q&A I asked him to define "spiritual". He quickly admitted that he did not have some kind of gnosticism in mind, affirmed the goodness of creation, the resurrection of the body, etc. But he stressed the need to make a distinction between temporal and eternal things, something that Kuyperians failed to do.

Hart later elaborated on this some more, noting that Kuyperians failed to understand (or take into account) how Adam's originall calling was temporary and the when he was glorified, culture would no longer be part of his calling. I find this, at best, highly speculative, although such a view is widely heald in contemporary reformed circles.

Clearly this a key issue in the debate between many Kuyperians/tranformationalists and those in favor of the "Two-Kingdom" view. As I argue in my book, the Bible affirms that the earth will be renewed and that some parts of culture will be taken into the new heavens and new earth. The church isn't the only thing that is eternal. Culture is eternal too!

Hart also stressed that the Kingdom = Church. Nothing more, nothing less. (He appealed to WCF 25.2) On this, take not of Vos below. Another question to ponder: where does the Kingdom go the other six days of the week that the church is not formally gathered?